Stabil vs. Sea Foam

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#31 Post by **badmoonrising** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:53 pm

$8.96, the even had Mercruiser's premium drive oil. I bought the last 4 on the shelf

dockholiday · #32 Post by **dockholiday** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:14 pm

badmoonrising wrote:$8.96, the even had Mercruiser's premium drive oil. I bought the last 4 on the shelf

not bad...........just about gave up searching walmart on the net. seems like what ever i put in they take me to a book or album with a similar name. thanks
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#33 Post by **badmoonrising** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:38 pm

I went on Startron's site and Wal-Mart is listed there. Wal-Mart's site is useless.

REPETE · #34 Post by **REPETE** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:47 am

This is the actual email I got from a top tech at Merc that I know....

"Mercury recommends the use of fuel stabilizer, but make sure it is not alcohol based... the red stuff.

I am not sure why some companies do not recommend it unless it is for the same reason. Alcohol sitting over extended periods is never good on fuel system components."

#35 Post by **badmoonrising** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:29 pm

Well I drained the tanks on both boats after running them both with Startron in the tank. We'll see if I have issues next season. I've used Stabil and Seafoam for many years on all my boats. Last year I had issues with the Party Cruiser. Who knows if it was the plastic lined fuel line or the fuel itself. Boat US said it was a combination of both...my marina had 100 boats with the same problem though...yellow gunk in the carb fuel bowls.

My thought is no fuel in the tank/carbs, no fuel to go bad.

#36 Post by **HandymanHerb** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:52 am

Seafoam

It's very cheap and easy to make at home

25% Cleaner>Naphtha
60% Stabilizer>Kerosene
15% Oxygenate> Isopropyl Alcohol (common Rubbing Alcohol)

Other Commercial Brands such as Chevron Techron Concentrate are 100% Cleaner.
Majority is Naphtha,,,along with Stoddard Solvent,Benzene,Xylene,etc.

You can Substitute Seafoam's 15% IPA for Toluene and get better results,,,most paint stores have it.

ALL the Products are merely a variety of Blends of generic,,bulk commodity petrochemicals.

They are simply bought by the barrel,,,,mixed together in various ratios,,,,Bottled>Labeled>Sold

SeaFoam for example,,
It's sells for about $8 USD for 16oz.

$64 USD per gallon

"Naphtha",,,2 Bottles @ $1 ea = 1/2 gallon
"Kerosene" 3 Bottles@ $1 ea =3/4 gal
"IPA" 2 bottles for 1$ = 1/4 gal

$6 for 1.5 gals
For "GENERIC ,Homemade Seafoam"

versus the
$64 USD per gallon
for actual,,name brand Sea Foam

It's not so much the point that it's only 1/10 the Cost,,,
it's that homemade blend allows for ,,,not just Enhancement but even Exaggeration of the Beneficial Properties of the Additive Mix.

For example :
Skip the Rubbing Alcohol,replace it with Acetone,,,Same Price.
Makes engine Start much better in Cold Weather,,,SOMETIMES improves fuel mileage,,,is Less Corrosive,,,and acts like a Cleaner Itself.
And,,it gets added in at much,much lower doses.

Or,,,add a $5 pint of Toluene in lieu of a quart of Kerosene

Or ,,1$ Quart of Auto Trans Fluid,to make Mega Stabilizer.

Or,to add to Crankcase---it sometimes Smokes a bit.
But I just FEEL better Cleaning internals with a premium LUBRICANT as the engine runs,,,rather than all Solvents.

Or if You would rather buy a Commercial Product and can Not find Seafoam
Chevron Techron is much,much More Powerful Cleaner by volume.
It will work at minimum,,,,better and faster and on a wider range of Fuel Deposits .
But ya should really only use it in fuel,,not in Crankcase.
It's too aggressive a cleaner and not made for such use.

Beyond Those particular products,,
Anything labeled "FUEL INJECTION" cleaner is typically going to be Higher Concentration of appropriate CLEANERS,,, than products labeled as "Carb Cleaner" or "Gas/Fuel Treatment"

The Later 2 products Have been enriched during last Decade or so,,
So the Differences in all the Variety are Not as Great as they were 15~20 years ago

If Sea Foam is Not available,,
Chose Anything labeled as FUEL INJECTION cleaner and it will do about as good a job as Sea Foam in your Tank, injectors, varnish, carbon etc in Intake tract, Valves and combustion chamber.

All more/less same stuff.
CLEANERS,,,have More Cleaner and Less Stabilizer than SeaFoam.
You are currently going through Fresh Petrol,,,so Ya do not Need the hi-dosage Stabilizers at this point.
Especially when trying to CLEAN the fuel system.
You need the higher dose Cleaner.

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Ghost Rider · #37 Post by **Ghost Rider** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:40 pm

Thats good info Herb, I think it would be great to make your own since you can adjust the diffrent chemicals to serve your exact purpose..

tkrein · #38 Post by **tkrein** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:35 am

i herd some fule lines don't ;ike the alcohol so i m thinking thats why the dealers are recomending non alcohol base. just what i herd. not sure if its try i do know alcohol will eat through some rubber. maybe the fuel pump my old johnson had a pump that was just a rubber disk. just a thought

#39 Post by **HandymanHerb** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:52 am

That's why the recipe has a subitude for the IPAlcohol

#40 Post by **badmoonrising** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:37 pm

tkrein wrote:i herd some fule lines don't ;ike the alcohol so i m thinking thats why the dealers are recomending non alcohol base. just what i herd. not sure if its try i do know alcohol will eat through some rubber. maybe the fuel pump my old johnson had a pump that was just a rubber disk. just a thought

Yep, this is what happened to the fuel line on my Party Cruiser last spring, plastic liner dissolved and screwed up the carb:

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