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Third Log Project

#1 Post by LocoCoco » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:08 am

Hello everyone,

After using this great forum for a lot of helpful research, I managed to successfully add a third log to my boat. So I took a few photos along the way and created this thread to share my experience and contribute some info. And of course I'm always looking for suggestions and ideas.


I hadn't planned on doing this project at all until I happened to score a 20' x 25" pontoon for free. The boat is a 22' Odyssey with 23" logs and a 40 horse Suzuki. First off, I understand this boat is underpowered and I didn't convert to a tritoon with the intention of pulling a pyramid of skiers with a 40. The price was obviously right, and the improved ride and load capacity is what I was aiming for. However, repowering with a 115-150 in the future is now an option I never before considered with this boat.

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Here it is the day I brought it home.


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After a lot of thinking, and trying to keep costs down, I opted to mount the entire 20' log underneath, and modify the motor pan to fit around it. I was also somewhat limited to how I positioned the pontoon in order to bolt it to as many crossmembers as possible. The problem was that the new pontoon had staggered risers that lined up with 24"-on-centre crossmembers. The Odyssey has continuous risers and crossmembers at every 16". I learned that this Forest Bay Odyssey is a much better built boat than whatever this new pontoon came from.


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Motor removed.


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Pan removed and measured to line up. The total length from the tip of of the pontoon to the transom had to be 157" in order for the pan to bolt back up to the original holes. I wanted it this way so I wouldn't have to modify the steering cable or wires or fuel line, etc. Also, the pan was engineered to mount in that place with the bulk of the weight on a 2" square tube.

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Had to use some math here. There was a handy calculator from this site (http://www.mathopenref.com/arcradius.html) where I just had to take a couple measurements to find the radius of each of the three circles that had to be welded. ie. the end of the pontoon is convex and the pan had to be cut to fit it.


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After measuring 100 times to make sure it was correct, I made the cuts with a sawzall. The cutting was easy, despite burning through 3 or 4 blades.

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Lined everything up and it's pretty dang close. Success!

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I built a jig out of scrap wood to hold everything in the exact place it was to be welded. Then I trailered it to town and had a well known welding shop stick them together.

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The shop did an excellent job and added some extra gussets on the top for added strength.

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Next was getting it under the boat. I tapes pieces of cardboard to the trailer to prevent scratches and it worked great.

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I forgot to take pictures, but I lifted the pontoon into place using two ratchet straps hooked to the side logs. That way, raising and lowering was done easily and precisely. Once held in place and centered, I marked where to drill holes with a Sharpie and lowered it down. Long story short, I drilled a ton of holes and got it back into place and bolted it in. This was a major pain in the ass. I parked on the lawn to make it softer while spending many hours crawling around under the trailer and bumping my head. This job would have been WAAAAYYYY easier without having the deck on there.

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Backing up the trailer to the garage to remount the motor. I borrowed the kid's video baby monitor to give me a second set of eyes.

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All done and in the water.

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Later I'll try to find some before pictures compared to now to see how it sits in the water. According to the waterline stains, the boat sits somewhere between 3-5" higher now.

By comparison, my boat used to sit inches lower than that 25' Suntracker beside it in the pic above. The decks are now about level, but I'll point out though that the Tracker has some weirdly tall risers that lift the deck well above the logs.


Performance

I immediately noticed how much more stable the boat had become. Simply stepping on and off the dock is much different now. The next day I had 6 adults on board (most of them heavy) and at one point had my 5 passengers all on port side. The boat was moderately tipped, but before with only 2 pontoons I would have had to make captains orders to move people around. Also tried all 5 passengers with coolers on the front seats, and she was far from submarining even when backing off the throttle.

Cavitation/ventilation was a concern of mine, given that the 20" shaft motor is only about 32" behind the 26"-deep centre pontoon. I tried to figure out ahead of time how that would play out, but there are too many variables for this small brain to calculate on paper. The plan was, if the motor sucked air I'd mount a jackplate which would set the motor a few inches back and then I could lower it a couple more inches. Also, I spend 99% of the time putting around a 3 mile lake at 5 mph. So ventilation would rarely be a problem anyway. Later on, I'd upgrade to a 25" shaft motor.
Full throttle, no ventilation! It does suck air while full throttle and turning sharp (sharp by a pontoon's standards). Really, this will not be an issue. Top speed was barely affected, if at all. The boat still ripped at a lightning 16-17 mph with a 9 pitch prop.




Overall, I'm thrilled with the results. It rides like a whole new boat with its stability and buoyancy. The boat is rated for a 115 and someday I'd like to get one (or maybe go a little bigger).

Total cost:

20' x 25" pontoon - Free
Professional welding - $240
Stainless hardware - $60
Ruined saw blades - $30
Total - $330

Hope this helps others in some way. Any question/suggestions, please share!


LC.
Last edited by LocoCoco on Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Third Log Project

#2 Post by curtiscapk » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:27 am

Great post!!! And excellent job!
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Re: Third Log Project

#3 Post by Kilo Bravo » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:29 am

Cool project !!

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Re: Third Log Project

#4 Post by Liberty MO » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:23 am

You guys in this rebuild forum never cease to impress me. Great ingenuity.
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Re: Third Log Project

#5 Post by Heatman » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:58 pm

Very nice work! :thumbsup
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Re: Third Log Project

#6 Post by margaritaman » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:08 pm

WoW! 16-17 mph on a 40 hp motor is real great. If you decide to put a 115 hp on that toon I would suggest additional support on that transom or you could loose the new motor. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Re: Third Log Project

#7 Post by tuned » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:47 am

Awesome mod! Brings back some memories. On my previous boat (Al the Second) I was putzing with my Water Glide. Cardboard on the trailer cross members and ratchet straps to raise it. Lots of happy hours underneath eating metal and mosquitos
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Re: Third Log Project

#8 Post by LocoCoco » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:32 am

Thanks for the compliments, everyone. :)


margaritaman wrote:WoW! 16-17 mph on a 40 hp motor is real great. If you decide to put a 115 hp on that toon I would suggest additional support on that transom or you could loose the new motor. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Actually, I think it'd be fine as-is. Or even better. Here's why... The transom was originally mounted with 8 or 10 bolts across 4 or 5 crossmembers, and the boat is factory rated for a 115. Now, the rear 4 bolts of the transom are mounted in their exact original holes (including into the 2" square "transom support thrust bar"), then it's welded and gusseted to the back of the new pontoon, which is bolted to many crossmembers the rest of the way up.

You'll see what I mean from the photo below. The transom isn't solely hanging off the back of the tube. I forgot to post this (crappy and dark) photo earlier.

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Re: Third Log Project

#9 Post by Waterlogged » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:09 am

Fan-frickin-tastic. Very impressed with your engineering on the project.

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Re: Third Log Project

#10 Post by pontoonMoose » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:36 pm

first awesome job, can you post a pic side view with motor mounted
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Re: Third Log Project

#11 Post by rancherlee » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:36 am

I'd have to agree about a bit more beef for a 115. The way it's setup now it's going to want to "oil can" the end cap on the center pontoon. A simple pair of support struts going from the bottom of the transom plate to where the pump/transducer bracket is would be great to triangulate it for strength. I've done a few center tubes now, and made a few mistakes along the way.
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Re: Third Log Project

#12 Post by LocoCoco » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:33 am

pontoonMoose wrote:first awesome job, can you post a pic side view with motor mounted
Here ya go. It's actually a picture from before the project, but the motor is still mounted in that identical spot.

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rancherlee wrote:I'd have to agree about a bit more beef for a 115. The way it's setup now it's going to want to "oil can" the end cap on the center pontoon. A simple pair of support struts going from the bottom of the transom plate to where the pump/transducer bracket is would be great to triangulate it for strength. I've done a few center tubes now, and made a few mistakes along the way.

When thinking about it that way, it's a good point. Margaritaman had mentioned beefing up the transom, but I thought he had assumed the transom was hung entirely off the log, when it's actually bolted at the top the same as before. But yes, where the bottom of the transom previously had a direct line of support going forward and up, it's now being interrupted by the pontoon, which wouldn't be as strong in this case. Please correct me if I'm interpreting you wrong.

Thanks to both of you. When the time comes for a 115 I'll be back at the drawing boards.



Update on the project:


Had the boat out a few more times on our little lake with continued success. I'm still giddy like a schoolgirl with the higher ride and greatly improved stability. I also did a bit of full throttle running with about 700 lbs. of people and gear on board and the GPS still showed 16 mph with the 40. Can't complain.

This week I'm going to pull the boat out, inspect everything, and add some bonus angle brackets between the log and crossmembers. Then on the weekend, the wife and I and another couple are towing to Killarney, Ontario to do some cruising in a nice, protected inlet. We'll have to deal with some big water for about half a mile in one part and I'm real anxious to see how the boat handles it. We may also come across some large wakes from yachts. (This is on Georgian Bay, off Lake Huron). I'll post photos next week. :)



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Re: Third Log Project

#13 Post by rancherlee » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:52 am

Yes Loco, that's exactly what I'm talking about. With a 115hp engine you will have an engine capable of putting ~600-700lbs of twisting force on the transom. Now picture that 600-700# of force pressing against the back of the pontoon cap. It may or may not hold depending on how much the cap is curved out or the thickness of the cap. Aluminum welds are very prone to cracking with repetitive movement. One way to check for movement is have a "husky" friend come over and put all of his weight on your current engines lower unit with it tilled up all the way so it's acting like a lever.
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Re: Third Log Project

#14 Post by pontoonMoose » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:15 pm

Awesome Job, and thanks for the pic
the question I have is that 40hp a long shaft motor, reason I ask is my 115 cavitation plate is 20" from motor mount to Cavitation plate, and your transon is mounted at the top of a 24" log, I can see it working with a long shaft motor just not a short shaft motor, on a short shaft at higher speeds you would lift the motor up enough to suck air, or Iam I missing something I think long shaft motors are 25" from mount to cavitation plate, then it would work,
Not trying to nit-pick you but Im working on doing the same thing to my tracker and just trying to get all the info I can. :hammer
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Re: Third Log Project

#15 Post by willy13 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:40 pm

I enjoyed reading about your project, thanks for sharing!!!

You mentioned that the boat still went 16 mph, did you expect it to go slower or faster with the addition of the 3rd toon?

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