Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#16 Post by curtiscapk » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:01 am

GXPWeasel wrote:Honestly, never been caught on the boat in one, but have a few times when camping, and the boat was beached. Went to check on the boat, and it had already broken 2 of the 3 lines I had it attached to the shore with. Four to Five foot swells are nothing to take lightly, even though they sound nothing like the ones on Deadliest Catch.


I think if I were on the actual boat when a storm rolled up, I'd beach somewhere, and as fast as possible. I rather the boat go down, with me on the shore, than it take my family and myself down in the middle of the lake. Dents can be fixed, so the beach is where I'd head as fast as possible.

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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#17 Post by DRock » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:18 pm

I got caught in a nasty storm last summer. I had the bright idea to beat the storm and go wait under a bridge. Terrible idea. My friend was with me in his center console, and me and my wife were on the toon. We were dodging each other and the pillars under the bridge as the wind came. Wind had to be 50mph plus and there was a ton of hail as well. It was a nasty, quick storm. About halfway through the storm i decided to motor out into the open.

In hindsight, we should've stayed in the cove that we were in and anchored out.
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#18 Post by landlockedsailor » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:15 am

DRock wrote:I got caught in a nasty storm last summer. I had the bright idea to beat the storm and go wait under a bridge. Terrible idea. ...

In hindsight, we should've stayed in the cove that we were in and anchored out.
Old habit from sheltering a motorcycle under a bridge?
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#19 Post by HandymanHerb » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:36 am

landlockedsailor wrote:
DRock wrote:I got caught in a nasty storm last summer. I had the bright idea to beat the storm and go wait under a bridge. Terrible idea. ...

In hindsight, we should've stayed in the cove that we were in and anchored out.
Old habit from sheltering a motorcycle under a bridge?
I remember one motorcycle trip back from KY, it rained all the way down, but GA was fun every time I stopped to get a little dry and smoke a cigarette (yes I was still smoking the things back then) a party would break out.

People heading back from the lake after getting rained out stopped and pulled out the beer and the weed , it was party time, I had to finely leave before I ended up sleeping there, an hour down the road I did the same and here came the next party, I was starting to like GA in the rain :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#20 Post by DRock » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:55 pm

landlockedsailor wrote:
DRock wrote:I got caught in a nasty storm last summer. I had the bright idea to beat the storm and go wait under a bridge. Terrible idea. ...

In hindsight, we should've stayed in the cove that we were in and anchored out.
Old habit from sheltering a motorcycle under a bridge?
I guess so! I'm bike-less right now. Me and my old lady would like to get a Harley sometime though......
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#21 Post by Mosnowman » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:35 pm

Been there....done that...after researching you can't find much about the "correct" way to handle it. :hacker

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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#22 Post by playcat » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:25 pm

That's because there is no one-size-fits-all answer. Your toon will handle a storm differently than mine. Storm tactics will differ depending on what the storm kicks up and where land is. If the winds are blowing you towards land, you could find yourself in a bad spot if the shore is close, waves are big and your hook drags or engine quits. I have seen boats tumble along the shore just like toys on a lee shore; very dangerous. Coves can be sheltered and safe as long as deep water is all around. Pulling up on the shore can be a good tactic, especially if the wind is blowing off the shore.

Lightning can be dangerous, but with your toon pretty well contacting the water, its not much risk of a strike. Still, I lower my antennas on my aluminum upper sundeck (sailors are superstitious).

I'll save my sea stories for another time.
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#23 Post by Ron Burgundy » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:27 pm

I just read this article in the newest BoatUS magazine. It's a pretty good short read about this topic. After reading it my priority in a bad storm would be as follows...

- Avoid getting into the situation to begin with. (Obviously, not always possible)

- Find a safe, non rocky shoreline on the windward shore of the storm to beach your 'toon. (I already have mine planned if needed)

- Attempt to find a sheltered cove and set an anchor with extra rode. (Got one in my "typical" hangout already)

- My last choice I'm torn between trying to get back to the dock, or just riding out the storm in open water. I think this would depend on a few factors like wind direction, distance form the storm and the dock, and who I have onboard with me. The trip back home for me could potentially be very hazardous. One one side of the channel are rocks. This could be disasterous if the wind blew me into them. If the wind was blowing away from the rocks I would probably try to get back in, otherwise I would stay out in the open water. Another thing to consider with a pontoon is the wind flipping it over. Would probably take a waterspout or a severe miniburst but that would be a very bad day.


Anyway, here is the article...


This boating veteran recalls a wicked day he'd rather not repeat.



The wild weather had come up fast, and slammed Chez Nous all day, the VHF repeatedly blasting urgent tornado warnings all over North Carolina. My wife Mel and I had tried to head out into the Neuse River earlier, but the weather had forced us to turn around and anchor. Suddenly, a large tug, the Beaufort Belle, steamed past us into the sheltered waters of Adams Creek, spray streaming over her high wheelhouse. I hailed her skipper on Channel 13. He said in the many years he'd been running the trip around Maw Point, these were the worst conditions he'd seen. I longed for a marina, but knew that we'd probably damage the boat or ourselves trying to dock in the high winds. I hoped our chances were better at anchor.

For the rest of the afternoon, we listened to horrific reports of tornadoes sweeping across the state from the west, destroying large buildings and killing people. We forced down dinner as darkness swept in, listening to TV reports of hundreds of tornadoes, and stayed glued to the radar trying to decide whether we were going to be lucky or not. We were in a long creek, where friends had successfully ridden out hurricanes, and where we'd ridden out tropical storms over many years, and we'd anchored in the creek's broad mouth. Our large, heavy boat needed plenty of room to swing on the long scope we deployed, and plenty of room to drag, which isn't unusual in tornadoes. We anchored in only eight feet of water, for two reasons.

First, it made our extensive length of all-chain rode much more effective in helping the anchor dig in and stay. For severe storms we deploy considerably more rode than the normal rule of thumb: at least five times the distance from the bow roller to the bottom versus three. We use a carefully rigged nylon snubbing line and other tactics we've learned over the years. So even though in theory we needed only 40 feet of scope because of the eight-foot water depth, we deployed more than 100 feet. We knew that even if we were missed by the advancing tornadoes, we were still in for a hell of a blow. The holding was good, a few inches of soft mud over thicker mud, mixed with gray clay underneath, and we spent an hour carefully working the anchor deeply into the mud.

Second, even if we were to sink, the water was too shallow for us to be completely covered. From past experience we knew that a tornado could do many things, including turning the boat on its side allowing water to pour in. Although we had carefully secured all the hatches and ports, there are always ways for water to enter. If this were to happen, and the boat sank, our hull would be above water. Our beam is 15 feet. Even if the tornado completely flipped us upside down, we knew that if we could swim our way out and up, there would be plenty of exposed hull to sit on.

Our swinging room was taken away from us when two smaller boats came in and anchored nearby. We often anchor in the broad outer areas of harbors, leaving the snugger areas for the smaller boats, which need it more. In this anchorage, there was plenty of room for smaller boats to anchor farther up the creek, in an area where we wouldn't have had sufficient space. I tried to tell them politely that we were only at the open mouth because of our size and need for swinging room, but they stayed.



We had prepared meticulously. We had our offshore, deflated manual life jackets on, with their whistles and strobe lights attached. You can't swim out a hatch from a capsized boat when you're wearing a big life jacket. I'd placed the PLB next to the boat's larger EPIRB, with waterproof flashlights and a handheld VHF all at the base of the companionway, ready with lanyards to tie them to us. We'd placed our computer storage drives, a cellphone, wallets, and other critical things into a yellow waterproof Pelican box. We had done all we could. We huddled in our cocoon waiting to see what would happen.

At approximately 9:00 p.m., we were in trouble. Our cockpit enclosure is tight and supported by multiple connected stainless pipes. It has protected us, like a solid wheelhouse, from more bad weather than we want to remember. But suddenly, lightning was crackling all around, the blackness shattered by flashing white lines. It was as if the entire world were overcharged. It started to rain. Heavily. "Well, at least we can see the lights on the shore!" I yelled at Mel. "It's not a whiteout." I wished I hadn't said it. Almost immediately a roaring white maelstrom engulfed Chez Nous in what seemed like a solid wall of water. Nothing was visible anywhere except within the interior of the boat. Even now I can't describe the sound or the feeling. Our ears started to pop. And then came the train.

"It's a tornado!" Mel yelled, as our 53-foot motor sailer began to lurch, veer, and from what we could feel, spin. The spokes on the wheel blurred as it whipped around. The boat heeled far over to port, as we dove down the companionway and tried to capture the wildly sliding crib boards. As I put them in, hanging on as we went farther and farther over, the snaps holding down parts of the cockpit enclosure started popping open. Suddenly the door flap exploded out.

Chez Nous seemed to right, then swung far over to port. Then she snapped over to starboard, veering, turning, and heaving crazily. Suddenly she righted herself and we could tell that the tornado was gone. We didn't know how long it had lasted, probably no more than a minute or so. The wind continued to howl and the seas were still huge. We pulled open the companionway and climbed back up, expecting the cockpit enclosure to be gone. It was totally intact. In the lightning flashes ahead, I could see the boat that had been closest to us pitching wildly and heaving, waves sweeping its deck. We were so close I briefly considered putting out fenders, but didn't because they'd be worthless. The fellow on the boat came on deck, wanting to help, but was barely able to hang on. Because of our size, we were relatively stable, but the other boats in the harbor were having a terrible time, bows bucking and burying into each wave. Everyone had been showing anchor lights except one single-hander whose boat had disappeared downwind. We, and the boats near us, put on our spreader lights.

Everyone had dragged. We began to check in with each other on the VHF to make sure everyone was safe. One skipper said his GPS told him he'd dragged 158 feet and that his boat had been on its beam with spreaders submerged. He'd been "sitting on the wall" rather than the deck. Mel and I knew that we weren't going to drag anymore, and that we had plenty of water all around us. But there was a sunken wooden derelict sailboat behind us, marked with white PVC pipes. We told the others we were going to move, powered up our 200-horse Yanmar, pulled in more than 100 feet of extremely muddy chain, and re-anchored — even farther out this time. Anchoring in the dark can be difficult. But it's treacherous in weather like this. You can't communicate over the howl of the wind. We used our Cruising Solutions Mariner 500 headsets; that night they were, possibly, a lifesaver. Mel controlled the boat and I worked precariously with the heavy gear up on the bow.

The next morning we turned on the TV. Digital air came in; the satellite dish was a twisted mess. The news showed that much of the surrounding area was rubble, with people still trying to figure what had been where, and who hadn't made it; 24 people were reported killed. A few people have asked, "How did you know it was a tornado in the dark?" All I can say is, "Man, you know."
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#24 Post by Mosnowman » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:02 am

Interesting article...a boat veteran maybe....but obviously he is not a tornado veteran! Being a guy from Missouri and used to a lot of tornados there is no way I stay on the water with tornado activity around! He's lucky he is still breathing....a boat and anchor is like a toothpick to a tornado...scary stuff!
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#25 Post by Ron Burgundy » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:08 am

Yea, that's a tough situation to be in. I'm surprised they were calling it a tornado and not a waterspout. I could be wrong but I thought that was the correct term for a tornado over water.
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#26 Post by landlockedsailor » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:17 pm

From WikiWhatever....Lee shore is when the shore is facing the wind. If you're standing on the shore facing the water and the wind is in your face, you're on a lee shore. If your back is to the wind, you're on a windward shore. Lee shores are dangerous to watercraft because, if left to drift, they will be pushed into shore by the wind, possibly running aground. It is always preferable to travel along a windward shore in inclement weather.

The beach of a lee shore in a storm is also at a significantly higher risk due to the undiminished effects of the wind and waves. A windward shore will have significantly lower waves and slower winds, as they will have been slowed by passage over the land. A windward shore is still subject to storm surge.
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#27 Post by woolznaz » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:17 am

playcat wrote:Lightning can be dangerous, but with your toon pretty well contacting the water, its not much risk of a strike. Still, I lower my antennas on my aluminum upper sundeck (sailors are superstitious).
I've wondered about that. I know very little about electricity and grounding, etc. Water is typically not good when it comes to lightning, as far as I know. Aluminum is not good. So, it seems a pontoon on the water would attract lightning. However, is being on the water essentially grounding the aluminum???? I have no idea. Can anyone further explain? I've wondered if it's best to beach it and get on land or if you are in a nicely protected cove and the anchor is holding well, or is it best to just ride it out (again, assuming protected cove and anchor holding well)?

To me, it largely depends on how attractive my boat is to lightning, and I just don't know the answer to that. Any thoughts?
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#28 Post by Drago » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:31 pm

I've only been boating for 5 years and have just two storm related stories while on the water. The first was on July 4th two years ago while we were anchored on the north end of Lake Conroe. As we were partying and swimming I noticed the big rain 10 miles to our south moving over the lake to the east. It stayed down there but shortly we found ourselves riding big rollers and began to realize we were in a big stump area as the waves troughs made them visible. All climbed aboard but as we idled out I clipped one with the prop. Thankfully we had no damage - it could have been much worse - a stump damaged tube.

The other time was farther back when we went to the aide of a fellow boater with engine trouble. As we were towing them several miles to their ramp, a big storm overtook us with real nasty lightning. I can never remember being that frightened as we continued to motor across the water with hot stroke lighting striking the shore all around the lake. I just knew that any moment, the Big Guy was going to let us have it. Strange as it seems now, we never saw a strike in the water, always on shore.

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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#29 Post by JohnO » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:01 am

woolznaz wrote:
playcat wrote:Lightning can be dangerous, but with your toon pretty well contacting the water, its not much risk of a strike. Still, I lower my antennas on my aluminum upper sundeck (sailors are superstitious).
I've wondered about that. I know very little about electricity and grounding, etc. Water is typically not good when it comes to lightning, as far as I know. Aluminum is not good. So, it seems a pontoon on the water would attract lightning. However, is being on the water essentially grounding the aluminum???? I have no idea. Can anyone further explain? I've wondered if it's best to beach it and get on land or if you are in a nicely protected cove and the anchor is holding well, or is it best to just ride it out (again, assuming protected cove and anchor holding well)?

To me, it largely depends on how attractive my boat is to lightning, and I just don't know the answer to that. Any thoughts?
Being on the water grounds your boat. But that is not necessarily a good thing.

Lightning seeks the shortest path to ground (Look at it like water running down a hill. The height of the hill is your voltage, the steepness of the hill is your resistance. The steeper the hill the less resistance. The water will always go fastest down the steepest part of the hill). If your hull is grounded to the water, then the highest point of your boat (that is electrically connected to the hull is the highest point of ground around. Lightning likes that as it shortens the path to ground (makes the hill steeper).

So in a lightning storm, being on a metal boat on the water is not a good place to be.

However you can beach the boat near trees on the shore and "hide" in the shadow those trees cast (stay on the boat though. You never want to be on foot under a tree during a lightning storm). Not the best solution, but better than nothing. If you need to stay on the boat in the open, stay on the seats. While there is still some connection between you and ground, the bimini frame (if up) is a far steeper path for the lightning to take.
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Re: Any tips on getting caught out in a thunderstorm?

#30 Post by landlockedsailor » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:34 pm

"Any port in a storm!" OK, here's my plan:
1. Be calm, or at least pretend to be.
2. Everyone into a life jacket, no exceptions.
3. Decide to stay put or get to better place to weather the storm. Cove, windward shore, dock close by?
4. If not at a dock, set two anchors off the bow, lots of extra slope/line, bow facing waves, plenty of swing room.
5. Clear the decks, put everything away, out of the way.
6. Lower the Bimini so it doesn't add sail.
7. Note exact location in case we need to call for help.
8. Ride it out.
9. Drink heavily after we're home.
10. Read a good book.

Did I miss anything?
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