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I just got my Boat US magazine today and there is an article that everyone with a Yamaha f225, specifically 2000/2004 model needs to read.
The exhaust is corroding parts of the engine and in some cases the power head may have to be replaced.
The cost is in the Thousands of dollars.
Boat US says there is a way for the engines to be checked, I would seriously find the article in the magazine and read it as it may save you a lot of money.

That is a fairly well documented problem. It is also why Yamaha has so many anodes and such an aggressive schedule for checking or replacing them. They really got a black over the that problem.

I found it interesting that Mercury, who uses the same block in the midrange, does not have the internal anodes that my 70 does.

Yamaha's past corrosion problems on certain engines are well documented--mostly in salt water usage. There have been a number of unhappy owners problem engines that were not replaced after being just out of factory warranty, even though their problems were well known.

Corporate headquarters for Yamaha Marine for the U.S. is in Kennesaw, and substantial changes in top management and sales managers has been seen in the past couple of years. Yamaha is no longer quite as customer friendly as in the past--according to some comments online.

gramps wrote:I just got my Boat US magazine today and there is an article that everyone with a Yamaha f225, specifically 2000/2004 model needs to read.
The exhaust is corroding parts of the engine and in some cases the power head may have to be replaced.
The cost is in the Thousands of dollars.
Boat US says there is a way for the engines to be checked, I would seriously find the article in the magazine and read it as it may save you a lot of money.

Yamaha F225 Corrosion Complaints

I am very happy with my Yamaha f150, but if I read this before getting it, I wouldn't have bought a Yamaha. They know there is a defective design and still are not willing to eat the fix and or repairs! This should be a recall item! Not cool at all.

Seems to me that the Ethanol is partly to blame for that type of failure.
Is anyone asking the government to chip in for these repairs due to the Ethanol they are forcing us to buy?

The engines are between 8 and 12 years old. Seriously????

The warranty period is the warranty period - end of story.

Asking Yamaha to pay for something that is out of warranty is no different that asking the owners to pay Yamaha some extra
Cash for those thousands of trouble-free engines that are running perfectly for 5 times the warranty period!

Another attempt to smear Yamaha IMO.

I don't agree, if it is a known design flaw that they came out with a kit to fix, then it should have been a recall fix period.

If this problem would have been in an automobile, they would have had enough public and governmental pressure for a recall repair.

But this is a marine issue, and there are not millions and millions of these engines out on public "roads" causing problems.

Like it's been said, these problems are in engines 6 years old, and current family of Yamaha engines don't appear to be experiencing problems. It does illustrate the value of flushing engines after use in salt water, however.

JDB wrote:Seems to me that the Ethanol is partly to blame for that type of failure.
Is anyone asking the government to chip in for these repairs due to the Ethanol they are forcing us to buy?

The engines are between 8 and 12 years old. Seriously????

The warranty period is the warranty period - end of story.

Asking Yamaha to pay for something that is out of warranty is no different that asking the owners to pay Yamaha some extra
Cash for those thousands of trouble-free engines that are running perfectly for 5 times the warranty period!

Another attempt to smear Yamaha IMO.

I would guess that you must be against the hundreds of recalls that the auto manufactures have been put thru over the years.
I wish I had a Yamaha on my boat instead of my Mercury, that being said, if it was a known problem then they should stand behind it.
Our Gov't loves to go after the auto mfg'rs but when it comes to anyone else they go blind.

Bamaman wrote:If this problem would have been in an automobile, they would have had enough public and governmental pressure for a recall repair.

But this is a marine issue, and there are not millions and millions of these engines out on public "roads" causing problems.

Like it's been said, these problems are in engines 6 years old, and current family of Yamaha engines don't appear to be experiencing problems. It does illustrate the value of flushing engines after use in salt water, however.

If you go read the complaints, a significant number of people say they did flush their motor religiously.
I know the guy next to me who had his Evinrude/zeke 75 4 stroke that corroded right through the water jacket, flushed his motor every single time.

gramps wrote:

JDB wrote:Seems to me that the Ethanol is "Snip"

I would guess that you must be against the hundreds of recalls that the auto manufactures have been put thru over the years.
I wish I had a Yamaha on my boat instead of my Mercury, that being said, if it was a known problem then they should stand behind it.
Our Gov't loves to go after the auto mfg'rs but when it comes to anyone else they go blind.

Gramps, I ceratainly didn't mean to imply that you personally, were attempting to smear Yamaha and I thank you for making the effort to bring the failures to our attention.

Auto recalls related to safety are a whole different issue.

You seem to be implying that perhaps our government should force Yamaha (and others) to fix problems such as this, so without getting too political, lets consider that briefly:

(1) Who is gonna pay these government officials (lets call it the Consumer Protection Agency Marine Division) and how efficiently do think this govt. agency will operate?
(2) Now that the Engine Manufacturers can be pushed around by this honest (I've never heard of a corrupt govt. agency have you?) group of people, What do you think will happen to the price of a new outboard?

No, Please - lets just all use our dollars to vote for our favorite manufacturers and leave the govt. "Nannys" out of it!

No manufacturer is perfect and I am confident that Yamaha is making every effort to continue be the best in the world.

According to the article, salt water didn't have anything to do with the problems.

1roadking wrote:I don't agree, if it is a known design flaw that they came out with a kit to fix, then it should have been a recall fix period.

Sounds like the group of repair parts being assembled into a "Kit" is heavily influencing your opinion.

Every engine, boat, car or plane ever built can be improved upon.

JDB wrote:Seems to me that the Ethanol is partly to blame for that type of failure.
Is anyone asking the government to chip in for these repairs due to the Ethanol they are forcing us to buy?
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I hate ethenol as much as anyone, but to blame it for everything is a little over the top. It robs us of performance, mpg's and increases production cost. But it doesnt excuse poor design and engineering. Cost cutting and profit driven decisions cause way more problems then ethanol ever could.

Article says "Is Ethanol To Blame? Probably Not

Many of the affected engines became damaged shortly after E10 was introduced. Mark Bell, a metallurgical engineer in Sacramento, California, says it's unlikely that ethanol is the culprit because it typically burns even cleaner than gasoline. The design of a dry exhaust, he says, should take into account the hot exhaust gases from burned gasoline and its potential to corrode the metal. A coating to withstand the gases is basic and not expensive or high tech, he adds. Indeed, the new replacement kit from Yamaha has parts with a different coating that seems to be effective. Another reason ethanol likely isn't to blame is that other Yamaha products don't appear to be suffering the same corrosion issues."

pote wrote:I hate ethenol as much as anyone,

I love ethanol!

In my Crown Royal, Cruzan Rum, Skyy Vodka, Guinness, Negra Modelo, etc.

In my gasoline? Not so much...