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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#151 Post by badmoonrising » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:54 am

tuned wrote:Even at 20 below.
:scared :scared :scared
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#152 Post by curtiscapk » Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:16 am

Awesome stuff Todd!
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#153 Post by Rascal » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:49 pm

You da man.... dude. :bowdown

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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#154 Post by tuned » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:26 pm

Even MORE crap I built enroute to this winter's boat mods:
My Cub Cadet '50 year rebuild' really shouldn't qualify for the boat thread except that it was in my way. Plus it is pretty cool. It's a 1962 Model 100.
Over the course of the fall and into this winter, I did the drive clutch, pto clutch, full engine, carb, and full mower deck rebuild.

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Oh yeah, the air cleaner needed a little attention too :biggrin2
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She is now cleaner than it's been in the 25 years that I've owned her. I have eight attachments for it as well.
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#155 Post by tuned » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:42 am

OK, time to fill some of those holes.
The fuel tank turned into a pretty big project, but I'm glad I did it. My original installation sucked. The fill hose was quite long with a partial loop so that I could lift the lid above the tank (which the fill fitting was installed in). I couldn't hardly use the fill last year for the gas spitting back at me. I got by with my auxiliary tank and transfered fuel from it down to my main.
This first shot shows several mods. An access hatch for easier inspection. The fuel pump has a lengthened bracket, 2 hoses, wiring. Also is my air pump for the exhaust cutouts. Hardin Marine doesn't do very good engineering-long story but I fixed several problems with it.

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Beginning the install of the fuel pump. Scary working IN a used fuel tank. I took major safety precautions including using my bilge blower to evacuate the tank for a day (after a dry wipe with non static cloth). Then borrowed a fume sniffer to make sure. Grounded myself as well when I began work.

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Note the fuel fill hose is now separate from the main lid. It is about a third the length of my original design and should work fine now. Fuel pump is in. Also note that I am wearing Paks...ahem

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Done. And I didn't even blow myself up! :scared
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#156 Post by curtiscapk » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:06 am

Todd sir you are a magic man! :drink4
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#157 Post by tuned » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:47 pm

The FUN stuff is beginning.
Out with the old
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Some careful cleaning
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A dab of glue
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Et Viola! New multiport manifold by Edelbrock. At twenty below.
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Anybody have need of a Big Block intake and Rochester Quadrajunk er Jet? Still running fine at take-off. Never been sunk :)
It is now Christmas every day at my house. Lots of shiny little bits are arriving in dull brown little boxes. I need to tip my UPS guy.
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#158 Post by nathan » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:56 pm

very nice!!
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#159 Post by curtiscapk » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:01 am

JEEZUS H! Those ports will dumb the fuel!!!!!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#160 Post by pond tuuunes » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:58 am

I thought Al was going to be injected? But yea, very nice! JT
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#161 Post by tuned » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:42 pm

pond tuuunes wrote:I thought Al was going to be injected? But yea, very nice! JT
Hellz yeah it's gonna be injected! Multiport. If you look closely, there's 4 little holes on each side where the injectors go. All parts are now here. 10 days off starting tomorrow. Build begins in earnest....ummm....in between holiday parties :drink4
Weather looks good for it--Highs for the next week are forecast to range from a balmy 10 friggin degrees at best. Lows to 30 below! :scared
Better get me an extra twenty pounder (propane) or two for the motor room. Gonna take my time on this one as I am swimming in uncharted waters :coffee

Aaand yes Craig, those ports will most certainly make the fuel dumb :lol3
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#162 Post by pond tuuunes » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:31 am

Next year a pro charger?
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#163 Post by tuned » Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:37 am

Nitro-Methane. My ECU is supposed to have the capability to control any of that crap. The mind boggles. Especially if its cold enough. I seem to do my best work then :biggrin2
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#164 Post by fergusmj » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:04 pm

Wow..... :bowdown
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Re: Al the Mirthmaker (Mark III)

#165 Post by tuned » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:28 pm

Within the next few days, I will begin assembling my own stainless braided fuel hoses using cute little red and blue aluminum AN fittings. As they will be in an enclosed motor area and I am EXTREMELY safety conscious, I did a tremendous amount of research on the subject. For those of you uninterested in this long and rather boring read, hit your back button NOW. Otherwise, here is what I learned:

AN stands for Army/Navy and has been around for many decades. In the last twenty years or so, it really caught on with the muscle car and restoration guys as they look so nice. They are not just pretty tho. The fittings are typically rated for 3000PSI or more and are used heavily in the Aerospace industry. Modern hoses are typically lined on the inside with fancy stuff that allows them to carry just about anything, hydraulic fluid, oxygen, water, straight ethanol (E85), nitrous and oh yeah, gasoline.
Hoses can have stainless or nylon outer braid or be just plain rubber or synthetic.

Sizing seems to be one of the big confusion points, as all sizes are determined by the hose OD rather than ID like most other types of hose fittings. The reason for this is that ANY brand fitting will work with ANY brand hose. Here is how to 'read' the sizing---all numbers refer to 1/16ths of an inch. Therefore -8AN hose is 8/16" (1/2") OD. This translates to approximately 3/8 ID hose in the normal rating system.

Fittings have faces that are flared at a specific angle and are assembled with no o-rings, sealant, tape. Just a dab of lube and they fit together so nicely that they don't even require much torque to seal extremely well. Hose ends are built by screwing an 'inside' piece into an 'outside' piece which creates a wedge in the hose and grips it (along with the stainless braid) extremely tightly. No hose clamps are required as it is 'clamped' from within, and very well at that!

One of the positives of these highly efficient and reliable hoses is that they can fairly easily be assembled by the home mechanic (reusable too). A huge negative is that the braided hose has to go very neatly inside the fitting during assembly. This isn't always easy and often results in 'bloody finger syndrome' :scared During my research, I came across a well regarded assembly tool that makes this much easier. Brand name KoulTool. I invested in a set along with a couple of other specific tools so that I do this 100% properly.

Fittings and hoses don't come cheap. They will be around $100 to $150 by the time I am done. They should be bulletproof tho. Over a hundred bucks in assembly tools as well. I already have gearhead buddies lining up to borrow them :drool

After visiting a number of manufacturer sites-- Jegs, Summit, Aeroquip amongst others and watching a number of vids on YouTube etc...I condensed all the info and built myself a cheat sheet to use for assembly. I love cheat sheets! Here it is:

Koul Tool Braided Stainless Hose assembly with AN fittings

1. Mark hose. Take into account thread length etc….
2. Wrap electric tape with mark centered underneath
3. Cut with snippers or fine cutoff wheel
4. Tidy hose inside and out. Blow out if needed (FROM CLEAN END)
5. Koul Tool in vice with fitting snug inside it.
6. Grease (or Vaseline) Koul Tool lightly. A little on braid too.
7. Twist hose into tool up to threads
8. Remove from tool and adjust depth (to threads) if needed
9. Mark or tape hose as reference to make sure it doesn’t pull out at all (or very little)
10. Lube threads (3-in-1 or 30Wt oil) of fittings (and inside hose)
11. Screw fitting in (about 1/16” from bottom)
12. Clean with solvent (or soapy water) and blow out as needed. Fittings must stay SPOTLESS at all times. Protect with tape, caps or bags if not assembling immediately.
13. OIL THREADS JUST PRIOR TO ASSEMBLING ON MOTOR! Do not oil any earlier as they will just gather dust.

Aeroquip torque specs
-6AN 150-195 in/lb - OR 1 to 1.5 flats past hand tight OR about a quarter turn (minus a hair)
-8AN 270-350 in/lb - OR 1.25 to 1.75 flats past hand tight OR about a quarter turn



Anyone with knowledge and experience in this area, please weigh in so that I don't go BOOM :scared
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Build-- viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14007
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International Falls, MN

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